heatherliv

2017 the Year of Protests

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heatherliv

I'm not on the forum very much. But the recent current events in the US have made me reflect upon how propaganda is used in education to cause societal changes.

My oldest dd is 23 now. Her peers are so angry and looking for opportunities to angrily protest. Social media and protesting seem to be the only way they know how to solve problems. Very few of these young adults know how to productively and peacefully voice their concerns and make change. They seem to prefer a photo op moment - appearing to protest with a sign- instead of making phone calls to legislators on current bills, sitting in local hearings, and peacefully meeting elected officials.

I feel that their history and civics education is to blame. Here is a 2009 post describing what my dd was learning. Here it is:

Her public school (like most of the nation's )was was pushing history courses which were short on facts, morals, patriotism,and history-making individuals and heavy on rebellion, socialism, and anti-Christianity.  I was pretty shocked and disappointed by her APUSH textbook in 2009-2010: Liberty, Equality,Power. I didn't think it could get worse until the College Board revamped the APUSH standards, even more extreme. Most college bound students take APUSH, so in my eyes what they study will impact the future.

So what do you think? Have these young adults been brainwashed by their textbooks? Would this explain how their reactions and actions seem so different from the past?

 

 

 

 

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Mazurka
13 minutes ago, heatherliv said:

So what do you think? Have these young adults been brainwashed by their textbooks? Would this explain how their reactions and actions seem so different from the past?

 

 

 

 

Unequivocally, yes.

Right now my older son is reading Grant's personal memoirs while he is also reading an autobiography of Lee that includes a number of first person accounts. I have not read the full books alongside him, but some of the short bits I have read have surprised me.  It surely ain't the standard school textbook version of things. Besides that, one thing has really stood out to me -- and that is the politeness and respect that Union and Rebel soldiers and officers showed each other.   They actually respected each other, even though they were on opposite sides of the bloodiest war in US history, fighting over things that were easily as contentious as the topics that people are arguing over today.  Yet they were able to remain civil to each other when not engaged in actual battle.  The surrender at Appomattox is a beautiful demonstration of respect.  Yet today many people can't civilly discuss a matter that is vital to our national security.  I do think you're right -- the schools must promote this radical rebellion that so many are engaged in.  In fact, right after Trump was elected, many school children went out to protest with their classes, skipping  school in the process.  Of course, it was all sanctioned because the liberal education forces were all opposed to Trump.  Had Clinton won, and Trump supporters protested, I guarantee you they wouldn't have been excused from school.

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Little Women

It's definitely true that high school and college students have been carefully taught liberal ideologies for many years.   From Columbus destroyed America to Shakespeare is irrelevant to all white people are inherently racist to people become "bad guys" because society drives them to it., these ideas have permeated history, English, and social studies classes for years.     I don't think they have specifically been taught to have no other way to seek redress, but I do think they have imbibed a world view that leaves them angry with ordinary conservative values and with most white people in general.   

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Countrymom9

It isn't just schools. It's pop culture as well. I know this because I'm constantly having to countermand it with my two teens and dd20, and they didn't go to school. Let's think about the caricatures in Avatar, for example, of colonial oppressors vs. a free native population. (Yes, I have to quote a movie several years old. I very seldom watch a movie. That one didn't make me want to watch more of them, either.)

Unfortunately, it was my generation that started that ball rolling. If I could time travel back to the 60's and 70's, I would pick up the ball and stick it in the nearest campfire till it was ashes.

 

 

 

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jhovde2015

From what I've read about colleges and universities, there seems to be a tremendous push to destroy western culture (banning Shakespeare, or other famous white authors because they are white and male), linking it to nefarious christianity and colonial oppression. White is bad. Western culture is bad. Now, I do think we need to examine what went wrong in history. That's how we learn. But when it becomes a vehicle, one that sounds more and more racist, then there is need for concern. This is why I love sonlight. Get all sides. I embrace literature from authors around the world and their view of history. It helps round out one's views. But within the public education and universities right now....this is becoming extremely one sided. Like the Drexel (Philadelphia) professor who said on twitter that "all he wants for Christmas is white genocide" and he's a communist teaching history. Ok. There is a problem there. The university distanced itself from him but did not replace him. And he gathered 3000 some signatures to back him. Does this trouble anyone? Sure troubles me. 

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lianin

This thread is making me scared for my kids and the challenges I'll face when they are teens!

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Mazurka
5 hours ago, lianin said:

This thread is making me scared for my kids and the challenges I'll face when they are teens!

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I'm  very much afraid for my children.   I think if I had know in advance all the things that have happened in the past 5 years or so, I would have chosen not to have children, and it makes me very sad to say that because I love my children dearly.  I think their lives will be drastically different from mine, and not in a good way.

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Mazurka
9 hours ago, jhovde2015 said:

From what I've read about colleges and universities, there seems to be a tremendous push to destroy western culture (banning Shakespeare, or other famous white authors because they are white and male), linking it to nefarious christianity and colonial oppression. White is bad. Western culture is bad. Now, I do think we need to examine what went wrong in history. That's how we learn. But when it becomes a vehicle, one that sounds more and more racist, then there is need for concern. This is why I love sonlight. Get all sides. I embrace literature from authors around the world and their view of history. It helps round out one's views. But within the public education and universities right now....this is becoming extremely one sided. Like the Drexel (Philadelphia) professor who said on twitter that "all he wants for Christmas is white genocide" and he's a communist teaching history. Ok. There is a problem there. The university distanced itself from him but did not replace him. And he gathered 3000 some signatures to back him. Does this trouble anyone? Sure troubles me. 

Yes.

I'm so tired of the dissing of Western culture and "old white men."  I'm tired of seeing course names that involve the topic of how, basically, white males need to get over themselves. Hillary campaigned on the promise to work for women and children.  Great.  So when my sons turn 18 they are persona non grata, all of a sudden, from one day to the next? 

 

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slac

Brad's birthday was the other day and Ryan came home to have dinner and cake with us.  Of course, we started talking about the recent election and all that she has been hearing at school.  It is amazing how ill informed these college students are and how quick they are to accept as truth whatever somebody tells them, no matter that person's background.  

I can't remember the exact conversation now, but Ryan's boyfriend had been telling Ryan something that was not all true - part of it he had correct and part of it was wrong.  Brad corrected her and she went home later that night and told her boyfriend what Brad had said.  She texted Brad back and asked him to cite his sources!  Normally, Brad wouldn't mind doing that, but this topic was in Brad's expertise.  He works it everyday!  He told Ryan he was not her boyfriend's research assistant and maybe Ryan should remember where her dad works and what he does.  He doesn't have cites; he works it every single day!  But the boyfriend wanted to believe someone who didn't work this topic other than the person whose job it is to know these facts!  

 

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arctic_bunny

Different country, but we challenge the kids' social studies classes at school regularly. What gets passed off for facts is incredible. So glad we study history on our own, as well.

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7 hours ago, slac said:

Brad's birthday was the other day and Ryan came home to have dinner and cake with us.  Of course, we started talking about the recent election and all that she has been hearing at school.  It is amazing how ill informed these college students are and how quick they are to accept as truth whatever somebody tells them, no matter that person's background.  

I can't remember the exact conversation now, but Ryan's boyfriend had been telling Ryan something that was not all true - part of it he had correct and part of it was wrong.  Brad corrected her and she went home later that night and told her boyfriend what Brad had said.  She texted Brad back and asked him to cite his sources!  Normally, Brad wouldn't mind doing that, but this topic was in Brad's expertise.  He works it everyday!  He told Ryan he was not her boyfriend's research assistant and maybe Ryan should remember where her dad works and what he does.  He doesn't have cites; he works it every single day!  But the boyfriend wanted to believe someone who didn't work this topic other than the person whose job it is to know these facts!  

 

OOPS!  Looks like I posted in the wrong place.  Sorry about that. 

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3 hours ago, slac said:

OOPS!  Looks like I posted in the wrong place.  Sorry about that. 

You did?

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